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intelligence estimate of two thousand and seven which was the combined thinking of all sixteen of their intelligence agencies said very clearly back then that in their view iran had stopped trying to develop a nuclear weapons capability in two thousand and three and this was written in two thousand and seven and actually stopped the rush to war in fact george w. bush said biography that it stopped its capacity to go and invade iran and today this is been pretty much updated so there is no will as far as i can see internet you know within iran to try and develop this capability so it sounds very much like a lot of diplomatic hope there for various other background political reasons and i have to say if i were on and i had been put on the list by george w. bush ten years ago as one of the five trees of the axis of evil and then look at what happened the other countries which include libya iraq and syria why no it wouldn't i want some sort of to terror and potentially although they've made very clear that they don't want to have that to terror and they just want to have a sort of energy. now iran has been on
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a long and winding road to reach today's deal back in one thousand nine hundred six the u.s. firmly moved down the track of sanctions lambaste in tehran after allegedly after alleging its nuclear program serves military purposes that's also when the talks started but they reached a deadlock in two thousand and five and president ahmadinejad resumed your am in richmond now the united nations were quick to respond unanimously agree on their own set of sanctions a year later this though failed to convince iran to drop its nuclear program on the contrary in two thousand and ten and increase the level of uranium enrichment to twenty percent which is widely seen as a significant step towards arms production also that year iran discovered a computer virus allegedly created by the u.s. and israel saying that they used it to derail tehran's atomic program and finally this june elected iran elected hasan rouhani as its new president something many see as
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a game changer in terrans relation with the west now earlier my colleague bill dodd discussed moscow's role in these the negotiations with artie's paul scott. paul what's russia's role in this latest round of talks on iran what russia's role in this process bill really is to bridge the gap between some in the west and iran russia has been opposed to iran acquiring a nuclear bomb but acknowledges that iran does have a right to peaceful nuclear program which iran says was really a precondition to these talks they were saying that no deal was going to be struck unless this precondition was met and russia has really tried to ease the tensions because that precondition led to some in the west being quite suspicious about iran and their motives and russia really has tried to ease those tensions and suspicions in order to try and get all parties around the table which they as they've obviously done and it's also something that's proven slightly easier of course since the election of his son rouhani who's a comparative moderate in comparison with his predecessor mahmoud ahmadinejad's and
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what does moscow make of the potential of slapping more sanctions on iran as discussed by some politicians in the u.s. at the moment while russia isn't opposed to playing hardball with iran when it needs to with its role as a permanent member of the u.n. security council has agreed to four rounds of sanctions against iran over the years between two thousand and six and two thousand and ten of these sanctions include a ban on supply of heavy weaponry and nuclear related related technology a block on iranian arms exports and an asset freeze on key individuals and companies but as these sanctions have tightened over the years an economic sanctions have grown. they've started to hit the population of iran hard in moscow saying these are increasingly ineffective method really it's the wrong people that are being punished so the smiles and handshakes between moscow and iran no relationship between tehran and moscow a complicated i think it's fair to say not as straightforward as perhaps it would seem on the face now in two thousand and seven
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a military deal was struck worth around eight hundred million dollars it was for to tehran to purchase missile defense systems from my. that was in two thousand and seven but then in two thousand and ten after a tightening of un sanctions russia's then president dmitri medvedev canceled that deal without any explanation not caused iran to call for compensation on the issue has since been resolved but it just shows there are complexities when involved when dealing with iran and it is worth noting of course that moscow is involved in iran's nuclear program very much so funded the building of the bushehr nuclear plant in iran and it was only in september this year that it handed over complete control of that plant to the iranians and i think moscow sees this is possibly the way forward the way forward is cooperation with iran with the country's nuclear industry because if you're cooperating with the country there's less secrecy and then that could lead in turn to less mutual suspicion and i think that russia sees
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that as the way forward. let's cross live to our teams washington bureau now granted to check on is there with more for us. tell us now despite the great international efforts to strike a deal in this case there are so lawmakers who want to pursue sanctions what have you heard about this. well exactly what with this new deal will presumably they want to you know they want to have iran of course in return to greater transparency to iran possibly halting the development of more advanced centrifuges they want to. date they want to gain from iran access them a small amount of right from foreign assets that are now frozen and also to have iran receive some limited sanctions relief now what what sanctions could be relieved that's that's still a huge question here in washington and the u.s.
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congress has not been eager to relieve any sanctions in fact they're talking about a new round of sanctions and it took president obama. to do some persuaded to persuade congress not to do that not to undermine this deal that they have reached will which will presumably cover. six months before the sides can reach a more permanent a more sweeping pact to with the iraq. there is really no indication at this point what congress will do especially with regard to sanctions because it is so far there's been a huge component missing in these negotiations and doubt would be trust in washington iranians don't trust the u.s. and they've been duped before and washington doesn't trust iran when they say they're developing nuclear technology for civilian use and are not trying to build
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a bomb and we also have to remember that what you run also wants to be part of the deal is their right to develop nuclear nuclear technologies for severely use it and . it's really not right that that the u.s. is not explicitly recognizing so it's very difficult to foresee at this point which way congress is going to go but we are going to see debates going on here for sure yes of course and we'll be of course watching those closely going to check on live from moscow thank you very much for that now let's just take a look at some of the key points of the exit accepted draft proposal of this deal just to just so we're clear on what could be part of this deal now one of the main demands was that iran should limit its uranium enrichment to a maximum of five percent and get rid of the existing stockpile above that level also tehran should be stripped of its ability to used advanced centrifuges sticking
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to the outdated equipment and keeping the heavy water reactor near the town of iraq a non operational and the u.n. would then have round the clock ability to check and control any activity at those richmond plants in return iran wants the international community to recognize its right to enrich uranium at least to a certain degree and see sanctions partially then left. france was apparently the reason why the deal went down the drain two weeks ago we have terry colleville from the institute of international and strategic relations explained why the country acted that way france as a strategic and economic relations was a lot of course states like united arab emirates so gary you know we are selling a lot to be scum trees so i think france is trying to show that you know or
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relationship with them is not going to change and you know obvious countries are very anxious about the iranian nuclear program so there is a. you know i think france wants to tell them you know we are not going to change we will just stay on your side for economic i would say look for economy christianson strategic reasons we have a strategic relationship with the united arab emirates for example and it's israel's what seemed like a major obstacle to the long awaited deal was israel's fury over any mention of the possibility of a compromise during the previous round of talks two weeks ago that position seemed to be impacting on the negotiated and stances of france and the u.s. for more on that let's go live to jerusalem. and actually we we are actually going to have policies later with us from jerusalem a little bit later for you and it's israel's songe no to any deal
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which has cast a dark shadow over the talks impacting on both the american and french stances we spoke to john limbert the former u.s. deputy assistant secretary of state for iran and he was among the diplomats held hostage during the notorious crisis of the u.s. embassy in tehran more than thirty years ago and believe it's israel not iran which has actually become more hardline. but we've seen i think in the last three or four months since the election of president president rouhani and since some of the statements of the support of the supreme leader is i think a change of direction and a serious change of direction by the israeli friends tell me is within israel itself there's a lot of controversy over the issue of iran and what should israeli what should the israeli stand be and some of the more extreme stands that are coming that coming out which oppose any any deal are creating concern and concern in israel
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a lot of people are quite have been criticizing the prime minister look what what. prime minister netanyahu seems to be asking for is not a negotiated deal but in fact an iranian surrender where they are pressured into simply giving giving up well that's that's not a negotiation that's a so that's a surrender and if you get if you do squeeze somebody so hard that they surrender such an it such an agreement simply isn't going to last israel has long been claiming iran poses a threat to the whole the middle east due to what it sees as tehran's pursuit of the atomic bomb iran however says it's only ever been looking to develop peaceful nuclear energy seyyed mostafa course has sam from the english department of the fars news agency believes it's israel which threatens the region the most. the regime which has. hundreds of nuclear warheads and has not signed any kind of
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international treaty to let the international community understand what's going on in that. so-called country called israel. they have or what ever a country needs for aggression they have actually been invading other countries for decades and they have been in constant war with different award countries especially those in the region gareth porter journalists on u.s. national security is going to join us right now mr porter you know what is going through the israeli leaders minds now do you think this is obviously not something they you know they they wanted to stop this almost at all costs what do you think is going to their mind right now. i think they're realistic enough in fact to understand that this was the likely outcome of the process that at best they could
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slow down and possibly. interfere on the margins with this process but not not really stop it and i think that they hoped perhaps that somehow. the final result would be that. less damaging to their interests but essentially you know they were carrying out a holding action and i think they were also. have going to organize and prepare their there are assets if i may say so in the u.s. congress to date we take the next step which from their point of view is really the key thing here which is to try to and fact i'm sure they will be. successful at least in the getting something passed at least in the house of
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representatives that will represent a new level of sanctions and more importantly sanctions from which they will exclude or least try to exclude any executive power for a waiver based on national security and i think that is really what they hope will be most damaging to the diplomacy. in the future to guard to the iranian nuclear issue but you know the united states and israel has had an exceptionally close her lessons up what does this deal possibly say about the relationship now. i think it's the most serious split between united states and israel of really for many decades. i think you'd have to go back to before they lyndon johnson presidency. to to find a situation where. the split between the interests of the united states and israel
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are the best distro marked. that really takes me back to essentially the john f. kennedy presidency when kennedy it was really quite did permit to let israel have. a nuclear war and he was working against that so i think that's just the closest that i can come to a precedent for this kind of situation historically. well the election of iranian president hassan rouhani has seemingly brought about an era of diplomacy is it really just him or is this possibly a bigger shift in iranian think more looking at. well i don't think this is a shift in or any i'm thinking except in so far as it's a contrast with the diplomacy of the mahmoud ahmadinejad administration. and in a jot of course took a much more nationalist line in general on. the west and on the whole
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question of reaching accommodation with the west he represented one of the two major fact actions within iranian politics which was posi aligned with the islamic revolutionary guard corps and this economic and political interest and that was a much tougher line in general with regard to. relations with the united states and with the west but if you go back to before the ahmed a child regime or government i think you see that there is really a continuity here between the certainly the economy administration in one thousand nine hundred ninety six and the early period of. thousands and the rouhani administration after all rouhani was the main national security strategist for the to me as well as his possessor of us and johnny so i think really
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this is not a new development in terms of the longer term. continuity of of policy within iran which was interrupted really the by of individuals. ok so as you say ronnie was already involved with in on the national security scene with regard to iran but how some essentially how genuine then are the iranians have got a little to lose by making temporary deals and everything to gain. well i think you know that you're you're absolutely right in the sense that what the iranians have really wanted all along was to make a deal threaded states which would end the sanctions that were levied against iran which of course with almost every passing year in the last five to ten years have got more honor as for the iranian economy particularly in the last two years or so and what the iranians wanted was to clear away all the sanctions and in addition to
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that too and the the. really natural state of enmity between the states and iran which after all the faction that money has been associated with that is the the russe anjani faction always wanted to and because they were primarily interested in the development of iran which they realized could only be successfully achieved through integration of iran's economy with the global calculus to commie so i think rouhani is fully in line with that and what what they have want to do was really true to what and what it states has been. carrying out its own feet for the last thirty years which is really to treat iran as a kind of a major major. at antagonist major enemy of the earth and states except for the
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sort of union when it was still in existence ok even though we don't know all the deal details hammered out in this deal of course will it israel now be forced to abandon what many suspect to be its long held plans to strike over the question of a nuclear iran. well here's where i really take issue with the dominant media narrative as well as the official narrative at least on the part of united states and western powers on this question of israeli intentions regarding the military option towards iran i don't think that israel has ever had to intended to carry out a military strike against iran. i think they have very cleverly used the threat the idea that they're threatening iran military early to leverage change really toughening of the posture of the united states european powers and even russia and
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china with regard to iran and i think that it can really successful that. it has been used both by israel and i must say by the united states as well the under the obama administration there was a good deal of sort of good cop bad cop routine being played out during two thousand and. twelve when the obama administration was was appearing to be alarmed by the intention supposin intention of israel to attack iran in the spring of two thousand and twelve spring or summer of two thousand and twelve when in fact i think they knew perfectly well that that was not going to happen but they were using it to enhance u.s. bargaining leverage in anticipation of talks in two thousand and twelve so both both israel the united states i think i've played that threat of suppose
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a threat of of an attack on iran specially for political diplomatic purposes all right thank you so much for sharing your thoughts with us gareth porter journalist and u.s. national security policy and to violent. a reminder of the breaking news this hour six world powers and iran have reached a historic nuclear deal and in the decade long deadlock over to iran's nuclear ambitions the read through came on the fifth day of intense talks in geneva under the terms of the agreement iran will allegedly reagan access to assets worth four billion dollars also according to unofficial reports in the united states iran's nuclear program will be frozen we'll keep a close eye on developments and we'll bring you of course the very latest as we get it. it's no surprise that the bickering over the deal created major hype in the international media the talks have been dominating the headlines in the past few days and it seems that the pessimism of many of the mainstream outlets has been connected with the iranian stance on the matter on your screens right now you can
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see some of the examples despite a significant list of tehran concessions many of the reports have suggested it's iranian stubbornness that should be blamed for the slow progress at the talks. now prior to this round of talks there were reports that israel may join forces with saudi arabia and a military coup against iran that was if the international community failed to ensure that iran curbed all of its nuclear activities jamal a deep policy director of the national iranian american council believes such a conflict is a very unlikely scenario. every time netanyahu wants another sanctions bill passed in congress he make sure to send signals to lawmakers here in the u.s. that hey you have to pass this bill otherwise you're going to have a war on your hands that israel is going to start and the united states is going to finish the saudis it on the same thing not as publicly i think that any time you hear the israelis and now the saudis talking loud about military action that's
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a signal that military action is not necessarily being planned but that they're trying to use this as leverage in order to drive the hand of the u.s. or the international community in a certain direction when they start being quiet about a potential military strike that's when you have to think ok maybe something is actually underway here france was apparently the reason why the deal went down the drain a couple of weeks ago terry call really from the institute of international and strategic relations explained why the country acted the way it did friends as a strategic and economic relations with a lot of course the. united arab emirates so gary you know we are selling a lot to be strong trees so i think france is trying to show that you know all relationship with them is not going to change and you know obvious countries are very anxious about iranian nuclear program so there is
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a. you know i think france wants to tell them you know we are not going to change. on your side for economic i would say look for economy kristensen strategic reasons we have a strategic relationship resumed united arab emirates for example. well oxen rider journalist and political analyst joins me live now to discuss the breakthrough at the iran nuclear negotiations mr outsider thanks so much for joining us right now now in these negotiations obviously were very tense what do you think is influence this final decision. oh this is hard to say we i think we all are very curious about the details of that deal which is called in all the media right now it's an historic an agreement and if this agreement really works i would it would be really good story to we have to see that iran is more or less international isolated since more than thirty years since the so-called peace slummy care really lucian and nine
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hundred seventy nine and we have to see that the historical enemy of iran what is the united states of america what its washington that they also agreed to this term if this works so would be quiet the story to so we all can trust wait for the details of this agreement and of course for the speech of the u.s. president barack obama will come on comment on the remount. and we can't forget obviously that this is only a temporary fix for six months given that it's taken a decade to get here to have any faith that they'll be able to find a permanent solution in the coming months. i think this is this is the most important question what you ask about that even if this with. if it will be supported by the most powerless who signed this we shouldn't forget when we talk about this agreement when we look to the media and also what western politicians
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say they talk about this agreement as if iran is a nuclear power and military nuclear power and to disagree victory now that iran will give up the nuclear weapons arsenal but that's not true with the contradiction is the case you run as a country with no nuclear weapons it is the discussion is about how to use nuclear power in a peaceful way even western secret services in the past always said that. it's that there is any development of nuclear weapons at once especially east right of the closest ally of the us and also of the european union which was stressing that the nuclear program off iran is a military thing so when we know it it's either we can say that iran has the silvery and right to dismember off the n.p.t. concrete by the way what you see as a nuclear as
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a military nuclear power is not. that iran has the right to use it in a peaceful way so we should put that discussion on the basis of reality that if when we know all the details of this agreement and when it comes out that the yuan has snow the confirmed write off give a low peacefully nuclear power and throw off the enrichment. of the of the nuclear parts then it is just fitting to the super a mature rights of iran and this won't be quiet historical agreement how long it will last and if it will be supported more than six months long chessplayer and i think don't think that iran will be the big problem in that deal but the west especially that the united states of america will have to defend themselves against their use or a lot of the time you know the senate be for the meeting that he will not support
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any solution which if the right to dave is open its nuclear program and of course also that use for a low b. inside the united states so i think there it will be more or a test for barack obama than it will be for iraq. all right man well oxer writer ad middle east specialist in journalism and political analyst thank you so much for joining us thank you. i will be very back with you with the very latest in just under five minutes stay with us.
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